Cambio Coolant o anticongelante, que Marca ??

caxtrol · 01-10-2010, 12:46:28

Estimados

Tengo que cambiar el Coolant o anticongelante de mi Mitsubishi Montero, he visto varias marcas y precios, pero no tengo referencias de que es lo mejor y lo que es bueno en marcas.

Si alguien me da una mano se lo agradeceria mucho.

Saludos

emiliodin · 01-10-2010, 15:38:14

hola

mira uso refrigerante 911 es para 1 año,lo uso hace 4 y ningun problema nada oxido es una hilux 96.

SALU2

Fantasma-4x4 · 01-10-2010, 16:08:09

Cita:

Empezado por emiliodin

hola

mira uso refrigerante 911 es para 1 año,lo uso hace 4 y ningun problema nada oxido es una hilux 96.

SALU2

Pero el 911 es solo cooland, no es antifrezze.

Yo uso uno de envase rojo que venden en autocastillo, dicen algo de 15000 en números grandes, coland&anticongelante. Aguanta -15º C.
Fue el mas barato que encontré con buen anticongelante. Ya que mi motor hace como 16 litros de refrigerante

Slds.

caxtrol · 01-10-2010, 16:40:49

Miren que interesante

Bad News, Good News

The bad news is that it doesn't come down to color matching. Isn't all antifreeze compatible? Sorry, but it isn't. There are a few cases where you can get a fast case of corrosion, some where the water pump can be both eroded and corroded to an early death, and a lot of cases where you can shorten the effective life of the antifreeze. Antifreeze itself (most commonly a chemical called ethylene glycol) doesn't wear out–ever–but the key ingredients are the rust and corrosion inhibitors, and they get used up. The most common inhibitors, silicates for aluminum protection, are used up faster than others. That's why some new cars (all General Motors, Mercury Cougar, VW/Audi models) have red or orange antifreeze with a new class of inhibitors, called organic acids. Examples of U.S. brands with these organic acids: Havoline Dex-Cool and Prestone Extended Life, both recommended for five years or 150,000 miles. That's the good news.

Fill 'Er Up

How about just pouring orange antifreeze into every cooling system, say, yours? Sorry, but it's not that simple. The new organic acid antifreezes may be used only if the cooling system has an aluminum radiator (rather than copper-and-brass).

However, let's assume the reason you're thinking of a coolant change is because you're changing a cooling system part (pump, radiator, heater, thermostat housing) on a system with a conventional coolant, not an organic acid orange or pink. In that case, don't change to organic acid orange, even if the part you're installing is aluminum. Use a fresh fill of familiar U.S. yellow/gold or green silicated antifreeze.

The two orange extended-life antifreezes are compatible with each other, with what's factory-fill in GM ca rs and the '99 Mercury Cougar, and with the pink in VW/Audi cars. However, they're not compatible with a special orange antifreeze in 1998-99 Chrysler L/H cars (Dodge Intrepid/Chrysler Concorde and 300M), a special "hybrid" mix of organic acids and silicates. The green in most Japanese cars contains no silicates, so it's not the same as the green in the parts store. The yellow in some European cars contains some silicates, but it's very different from yellow Prestone, the top-selling U.S. brand. And then there is red antifreeze used by Toyota, and blue used on some European and Korean cars.

Freshen Up That Cup For You, Sir?

What about just topping up a system that's low? What kind should you use? If the system (except for Chrysler L/H) has orange or pink, use Prestone or Havoline orange for top-up. All you have on hand is regular U.S. yellow/gold or green? Well, if you're desperate, use what you've got, because it's better than running low o n coolant and possibly overheating. But the mixture is shortening the life of the antifreeze. By how much? It would take lab tests to tell, so the best deal is to do the equivalent of a "retrofit." Can you retrofit all systems? Sorry, the answer is no. What about draining green or yellow/gold from the radiator and refilling with orange? Is that considered a "retrofit"? No, and you'd better not try that, either.

What if the system has Japanese green, Toyota red, Korean or European blue, or European yellow? As we noted, European and Korean formulas have silicates, so U.S. green or yellow/gold is all right, but it slightly compromises the extended life formulas some have. Typically all that means is: Change at 30,000 instead of 36,000 miles. The Japanese green and red antifreezes have no silicates, but they are very different from U.S. orange. If you really drain out the old antifreeze from any of these systems (thoroughly rinse the system with fresh water), you certainly can refill with a U.S. yellow/gold or green silicated antifreeze.

No todos los anticongelantes y coolant son compatibles con los radiadores de cobre y aluminio !!!!

Saludos

V A M P I R O · 01-10-2010, 21:39:16

Cita:

Empezado por caxtrol

No todos los anticongelantes y coolant son compatibles con los radiadores de cobre y aluminio !!!!

Esactamente.. San Glicol...

Camilo Cádiz · 01-10-2010, 21:43:49

Y el original mitsubishi?, si mal no recuerdo no eran tan caro.

emiliodin · 02-10-2010, 14:51:54

hola

pero el 911 lo uso hace mas de 4 años y ningun problema nada de oxido temperatura impecable y mi hilux ya tiene 14 añitos y sigue como nueva,he ido a la cordillera con varios grados bajo cero y como digo ningun problema.
pd : fantasme explicame eso porfavor "el 911 es solo cooland, no es antifrezze."

salu2

tatamovil · 07-10-2010, 18:27:52

si lo mejor es partir de las especificaciones del fabricante, especialmente los que utilizan glicol.

en el comercio hay varias marcas, loctite, mopar, premazone, mastercraft, varia el precio respecto de la concentración que se utiliza y el fin que se le dará (trabajo ligero o pesado)
en la XJ uso Mopar (penzoil) al 70% (porcentaje máximo de dilusión) que eleva el punto de ebullición del liquido a 126° y el congelamiento a -35° si no recuerdo mal.
el permazone de mobil tampoco es una mala opción (viene diluido al 50%)
esso y shell también tienen sus propios productos, hay que leer las especificaciones y si es un radiador convencional no debes tener problemas.
Recuerda que el cambio de coolant va de la mano de la revisión y reemplazo en su su caso del sistema, (mangueras, abrazaderas, sellos, tapa etc)
tambien es conveniente una revisión de la estaquedad del mismo (prueba de presión).

saludos

caxtrol · 08-10-2010, 10:29:08

Listo

Se compro Havoline Extended Life Dex - Cool "Non Silicate Formula".

Ahora a realizar el cambio...

Saludos

luis el coyote · 09-10-2010, 13:38:34

mmmmmmmmm, y yo que tengo unos dex-cool ac-delco de pisapapeles en la bodega, ja ja ja ja ja.

01-10-2010, 12:46:28	#1
caxtrol Member Top 500 Fecha de Ingreso: Jan 2007 Ubicación: Santiago Edad: 54 Mensajes: 888	Cambio Coolant o anticongelante, que Marca ?? Estimados Tengo que cambiar el Coolant o anticongelante de mi Mitsubishi Montero, he visto varias marcas y precios, pero no tengo referencias de que es lo mejor y lo que es bueno en marcas. Si alguien me da una mano se lo agradeceria mucho. Saludos

01-10-2010, 15:38:14	#2
emiliodin Member Top 500 Fecha de Ingreso: May 2009 Edad: 48 Mensajes: 660	Re: Cambio Coolant o anticongelante, que Marca ?? hola mira uso refrigerante 911 es para 1 año,lo uso hace 4 y ningun problema nada oxido es una hilux 96. SALU2

01-10-2010, 16:40:49	#4
caxtrol Member Top 500 Fecha de Ingreso: Jan 2007 Ubicación: Santiago Edad: 54 Mensajes: 888	Re: Cambio Coolant o anticongelante, que Marca ?? Miren que interesante Bad News, Good News The bad news is that it doesn't come down to color matching. Isn't all antifreeze compatible? Sorry, but it isn't. There are a few cases where you can get a fast case of corrosion, some where the water pump can be both eroded and corroded to an early death, and a lot of cases where you can shorten the effective life of the antifreeze. Antifreeze itself (most commonly a chemical called ethylene glycol) doesn't wear out–ever–but the key ingredients are the rust and corrosion inhibitors, and they get used up. The most common inhibitors, silicates for aluminum protection, are used up faster than others. That's why some new cars (all General Motors, Mercury Cougar, VW/Audi models) have red or orange antifreeze with a new class of inhibitors, called organic acids. Examples of U.S. brands with these organic acids: Havoline Dex-Cool and Prestone Extended Life, both recommended for five years or 150,000 miles. That's the good news. Fill 'Er Up How about just pouring orange antifreeze into every cooling system, say, yours? Sorry, but it's not that simple. The new organic acid antifreezes may be used only if the cooling system has an aluminum radiator (rather than copper-and-brass). However, let's assume the reason you're thinking of a coolant change is because you're changing a cooling system part (pump, radiator, heater, thermostat housing) on a system with a conventional coolant, not an organic acid orange or pink. In that case, don't change to organic acid orange, even if the part you're installing is aluminum. Use a fresh fill of familiar U.S. yellow/gold or green silicated antifreeze. The two orange extended-life antifreezes are compatible with each other, with what's factory-fill in GM ca rs and the '99 Mercury Cougar, and with the pink in VW/Audi cars. However, they're not compatible with a special orange antifreeze in 1998-99 Chrysler L/H cars (Dodge Intrepid/Chrysler Concorde and 300M), a special "hybrid" mix of organic acids and silicates. The green in most Japanese cars contains no silicates, so it's not the same as the green in the parts store. The yellow in some European cars contains some silicates, but it's very different from yellow Prestone, the top-selling U.S. brand. And then there is red antifreeze used by Toyota, and blue used on some European and Korean cars. Freshen Up That Cup For You, Sir? What about just topping up a system that's low? What kind should you use? If the system (except for Chrysler L/H) has orange or pink, use Prestone or Havoline orange for top-up. All you have on hand is regular U.S. yellow/gold or green? Well, if you're desperate, use what you've got, because it's better than running low o n coolant and possibly overheating. But the mixture is shortening the life of the antifreeze. By how much? It would take lab tests to tell, so the best deal is to do the equivalent of a "retrofit." Can you retrofit all systems? Sorry, the answer is no. What about draining green or yellow/gold from the radiator and refilling with orange? Is that considered a "retrofit"? No, and you'd better not try that, either. What if the system has Japanese green, Toyota red, Korean or European blue, or European yellow? As we noted, European and Korean formulas have silicates, so U.S. green or yellow/gold is all right, but it slightly compromises the extended life formulas some have. Typically all that means is: Change at 30,000 instead of 36,000 miles. The Japanese green and red antifreezes have no silicates, but they are very different from U.S. orange. If you really drain out the old antifreeze from any of these systems (thoroughly rinse the system with fresh water), you certainly can refill with a U.S. yellow/gold or green silicated antifreeze. No todos los anticongelantes y coolant son compatibles con los radiadores de cobre y aluminio !!!! Saludos

01-10-2010, 21:43:49	#6
Camilo Cádiz Member Top 500 Fecha de Ingreso: Oct 2003 Ubicación: Santiago, Chile Edad: 35 Mensajes: 874	Re: Cambio Coolant o anticongelante, que Marca ?? Y el original mitsubishi?, si mal no recuerdo no eran tan caro.

02-10-2010, 14:51:54	#7
emiliodin Member Top 500 Fecha de Ingreso: May 2009 Edad: 48 Mensajes: 660	Re: Cambio Coolant o anticongelante, que Marca ?? hola pero el 911 lo uso hace mas de 4 años y ningun problema nada de oxido temperatura impecable y mi hilux ya tiene 14 añitos y sigue como nueva,he ido a la cordillera con varios grados bajo cero y como digo ningun problema. pd : fantasme explicame eso porfavor "el 911 es solo cooland, no es antifrezze." salu2

07-10-2010, 18:27:52	#8
tatamovil Member Top 500 Fecha de Ingreso: Aug 2006 Ubicación: Viña del Mar Edad: 52 Mensajes: 964	Re: Cambio Coolant o anticongelante, que Marca ?? si lo mejor es partir de las especificaciones del fabricante, especialmente los que utilizan glicol. en el comercio hay varias marcas, loctite, mopar, premazone, mastercraft, varia el precio respecto de la concentración que se utiliza y el fin que se le dará (trabajo ligero o pesado) en la XJ uso Mopar (penzoil) al 70% (porcentaje máximo de dilusión) que eleva el punto de ebullición del liquido a 126° y el congelamiento a -35° si no recuerdo mal. el permazone de mobil tampoco es una mala opción (viene diluido al 50%) esso y shell también tienen sus propios productos, hay que leer las especificaciones y si es un radiador convencional no debes tener problemas. Recuerda que el cambio de coolant va de la mano de la revisión y reemplazo en su su caso del sistema, (mangueras, abrazaderas, sellos, tapa etc) tambien es conveniente una revisión de la estaquedad del mismo (prueba de presión). saludos

08-10-2010, 10:29:08	#9
caxtrol Member Top 500 Fecha de Ingreso: Jan 2007 Ubicación: Santiago Edad: 54 Mensajes: 888	Re: Cambio Coolant o anticongelante, que Marca ?? Listo Se compro Havoline Extended Life Dex - Cool "Non Silicate Formula". Ahora a realizar el cambio... Saludos

09-10-2010, 13:38:34	#10
luis el coyote Senior Member Top 1000 Fecha de Ingreso: May 2005 Ubicación: entre la florida, María pinto, la cisterna y vitacura. Edad: 45 Mensajes: 4.457	Re: Cambio Coolant o anticongelante, que Marca ?? mmmmmmmmm, y yo que tengo unos dex-cool ac-delco de pisapapeles en la bodega, ja ja ja ja ja.