1JZ GTE, 2JZ GTE en caja 4X4

[Gonzalo Bravo]

Empezado por Gonzalo Bravo

A todo esto, cual es la diferencia entre las R150, la R151 y la R151F??

Me contesto solo esta parte:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_R_transmission

R150

A 2WD transmission found in many Toyota trucks.
Ratios:
* First Gear: 3.830:1
* Second Gear: 2.062:1
* Third Gear: 1.436:1
* Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
* Fifth Gear: 0.838:1

R150F
A 4WD transmission found in many Toyota trucks.
Ratios:
* First Gear: 3.830:1
* Second Gear: 2.062:1
* Third Gear: 1.436:1
* Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
* Fifth Gear: 0.838:1

R151F
A 4WD transmission found in many Toyota trucks.
Ratios:
* First Gear: 4.313:1
* Second Gear: 2.330:1
* Third Gear: 1.436:1
* Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
* Fifth Gear: 0.838:1

R154
This is a robust 5-speed transmission found in the MKIII Supra Turbo, Toyota Chaser Tourer V, Toyota Mark II Tourer V, Toyota Cresta Tourer V, and Toyota Soarer (turbo) up to 2001. It is also reported to have been used in Isuzu truck applications, as well as the Pontiac Solstice.
Ratios:
* First Gear: 3.250:1
* Second Gear: 1.955:1
* Third Gear: 1.310:1
* Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
* Fifth Gear: 0.753:1

R155
A 2WD transmission found in 2nd Generation (2005+) Toyota Tacomas. [1]
* First Gear: 3.95:1
* Second Gear: 2.06:1
* Third Gear: 1.44:1
* Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
* Fifth Gear: 0.81:1
* Reverse Gear: 4.22:1

R155F
A 4WD transmission found in 2nd Generation (2005+) Toyota Tacomas.
* First Gear: 3.95:1
* Second Gear: 2.06:1
* Third Gear: 1.44:1
* Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
* Fifth Gear: 0.81:1
* Reverse Gear: 4.22:1

[Hilux Surf-Vigo]

Los gringos se refieren a las "Hilux" que son Truck o Pickup Truck que tenia el motor 22R-ET (para ellos 22RET), esas tenian la R151F con piñones.

F : transfer, las 4x2 no lo tienen. Y la diferencia entre las 150 y 151 es la relacion de la 1° y la 2°

[Gonzalo Bravo]

Empezado por Hilux Surf-Vigo

Los gringos se refieren a las "Hilux" que son Truck o Pickup Truck que tenia el motor 22R-ET (para ellos 22RET), esas tenian la R151F con piñones.

F : transfer, las 4x2 no lo tienen. Y la diferencia entre las 150 y 151 es la relacion de la 1° y la 2°

Y las hilux argentinas (ultima generacion) traen la R151F acopladas a una transfer de reduccion planetaria y salida piloto correcto???

Que relacion tiene ese reduccion planetaria??

[Hilux Surf-Vigo]

Bencinera 4x4 : R150F
Diesel 4x4 : R151F

Es de esas caracteristicas y 2.566:1

[4x4 salto]

hola
experiencia personal tenemos en la empresa hilux 2001-2003 4x2 y 4x4 con 5L diesel argentina e hice esto:
use, de una caja 4x2, los engranajes eje inferior con 42.000km y eje superior y resto de llamese transfer de 4x4 con 480.000km y quedo Ok. no se cual es el modelo de una u otra pero funciona perfecto despiese usado de un manual original de Hilux Surf-Vigo (gracias nuevamente)
resultado hilux 2001 4x2 con caja muy usada para la venta y hilux, originalmente 4x2, ahora 4x4 2003 con caja nueva
en la caja de cambios la unica diferencia es el eje de salida 4x4 (corto) 4x2 (largo) todo lo demas igual salida lado copiloto
no se si fui claro
cualquier ayuda a las ordenes
pablo amorim

[FOURWHEELROD]

Dato: Segun esto... http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/P...Gearboxes.html , la R150 y la R154 aguantan 260HP de Stock... justo para un 1UZFE... Coincidencia????

[Hilux Surf-Vigo]

Hay una variante de la R151 que es la R351 y la diferencia es la posicion de la "palanca", la R351 trabaja con piolas y está equipada en la Hiace D4-D

[Gonzalo Bravo]

gracias!

A todo esto, desde la 3ª generacion del 1JZ GTE en adelante estos motores son VVTi o hay 2JZ GTE sin VVTi????

[Hilux Surf-Vigo]

Empezado por Gonzalo Bravo

gracias!

A todo esto, desde la 3ª generacion del 1JZ GTE en adelante estos motores son VVTi o hay 2JZ GTE sin VVTi????

Hay 2JZ-GTE sin VVT-i hasta el 97 aprox.

[Gonzalo Bravo]

Yap, al parecer hay 3 opciones para poner....

1.- Usan la campana del 1JZ para apernar una caja W
2*.- Usar una R151F con la campana del R154 cambiando el eje de entrada por el de la R154 (mas largo)
3.- Usar la R154, cabiandole el eje de salida por el de la R151F y apernar la transfer.
4.- Cortar ambas campanas y acopear la R151F completa.

(*) no estoy tan seguro

La #1 no la recomiendan por la resistencia de la caja ni del embrague de las W.
La #2 seria ideal de poder hacerse, si es que se puede mantener el embrague de la R154
la #3 Te quedas con un embrague firme, pero con relaciones mas cortas.
La #4, Seria como la #2


Aqui algunos extractos que recopile:

5M-GE bellhousing
I've found an old low mileage I6 to swap into my desert truck. I have a R151 trans from a 22re turbo.
Will the 5M-GE bolt to that? or do I need a different bellhousing?

“you need the bellhousing from a 5spd non turbo supra with a w58 motor”
“Or a 7M-GTE bellhousing, and a R154 transmission with the tail housing swapped over from an R150F or R151F.
Or a 7M-GTE bellhousing with a newer R150 with the longer input shaft.”
2jz-gte swap question
Hi, I have a 1996 toyota 4runner with the 3.4l v6, and 5speed tranny……..
“The 2JZ came with two oil pans. Front sump, in the Aristo, and rear sump in the Supra, and Lexus IS, SC, and maybe GS? If one doesn't work, I'm sure the other will.
A Toyota 1JZ bellhousing and flywheel will allow you to bolt an R series trasmission onto the 2JZ, assuming you have a long input shaft. So, you're looking at late gen R150, an R154, or an early R150 with a swapped input shaft.

“A couple of choices need to be made before you start:
1jz or 2jz: yeah the 2 is 3.0 vers 2.5 of the 1, BUT the 1jz with its r154 Will allow you to avoid cutting your bell housing, your output shaft IS too short to bolt to your transfer case, so you will need to rebuilt the 154 with your output shaft then the transfer will bolt up directly with nothing fabricated. Note: the 2jz that you would get would be JDM (the usdm would be 4k as apose to the 2k you see on ebay) will most likely be from a Aristo, this is a good thing it is much cheaper than the supra's, and if you mount it more rear "As explained below" then it already has a front sump pan that will require less modification to clear.

“The R154 was never meant to be mounted to a transfercase. What you need to do, is swap the output shaft, and rear housing from an R150 (V6 truck/4runner) onto the R154. You can then bolt an R150 transfer case (or maybe more, I'm not sure) to the R154. Then you use a 1JZ bellhousing to bolt the R154 to a 1JZ or 2JZ motor.”

Tips
“They (Toyota) do make a 1jz belhousing you can use on the r154 supra trans but that would require swapping the input shaft from the r154 into the r150f because the r154 input is longer than the r150f.”
“FYI a Lexus IS300 manual 5 speed bell housing will work for a W-56 (may hold up for a while). I am mating a w56 to my 2JZ.....no boost yet. The IS300 lexus bell housing will have to be shaved a few mm to accommodate the input shaft length...”
“….so i went with have the R154(turbo supra tranny) and half the R150 v6 4x4 tranny. crappy gearing but it allows me to run the turbo supra pull type clutch. ive been running the stock aisin clutch for months wihtout problems unless you count the rear ends”
“i have been running a w56 behind my 7m-gte and its been screaming sounding like a banshi plus the DF push type clutch cannot hold the torque of the engine once its revs up a bit. What i did was i took all the gears and front half of the casing from the Turbo supra transmission R154 and used the output shaft and rear casing of the v6 transmisison R150F which allows me to have a trasfercase and use a pull type clutch. It doesn't have the greatest gear ratio(actually it sucks 3.31:1 first) but it does give me the ability to run a clutch capible of handle over 550ft-lbs of torque with a transmission that can handle whatever power i can throw at it”